What the Water 2 · Ju Men type is like
Hand a Water 2 Ju Men one question and they come back with five new ones, plus a list of sources. If something moves in deep water, they have to dive down and see it for themselves.
Ju Men meets the Water 2 Bureau
The Complete Book says Ju Men's “transformed qi is darkness.” Ju Men is Water, and so is the Water 2 Bureau; water poured on water doubles the depth. In Water 2 that darkness is most like the colour of deep water: light does not reach the bottom, so they refuse to settle for the surface and dive down to look for themselves. Si and Chen are the commonest palaces at about 24% each, one Prosperous (Wang) and one Fallen (Xian); Zi and Wu together come to only 29%, the lowest of the five bureaus. Overall, about 65% sit at Prosperous brightness.
Work and money
They are the kind who chase things down. The Complete Book says “Ju Men in heaven governs the grading of all things,” and in Water 2 that grading is active, a digging downward. Hear a rumour, and they follow it back to who said it first and why; meet a figure that does not add up, and they track it to the step where the sum went wrong. Question follows question, often down to a layer the person who asked first had forgotten. Spending is like diving for them: look at the bottom before going in. They often work out the follow-on costs hidden behind a purchase before the seller does.
Love and getting along
In love they are endlessly curious about the other person: where you lived as a child, why you love that song, why you cried that time. People questioned like this often feel properly read for the first time. The right partner is happy to be known and willing to ask back. In an argument they keep pressing for details because they want to understand, and the other person may feel cross-examined. Remembering to question the event, not the person, keeps curiosity from turning into an interrogation.
When things get stuck
Dive too deep and you forget to breathe. One question chases the next, they are still digging at midnight, and the thing actually due gets shelved. Giving each search an end point, such as stopping once two reliable sources agree, and saving the rest of the curiosity for the next dive, keeps it in proportion. The pace of questioning matters too. Fire off three at once and the other person is still on the first; ask one, wait for the answer, then ask the next, and the conversation goes deeper.
The rhythm of the 10-year periods
For someone who chases things down, whom they chase in the second decade splits into two roads in Water 2. The life periods start in the Life Palace at age 2 (counted the traditional way), and at the change at 12 some step into the Parents Palace and some into the Siblings Palace, depending on the yin or yang of the birth year and on sex. A Ju Men in the Parents Palace decade tends to chase elders and teachers with questions: why this rule, where that claim comes from. The practice is asking authority hard questions without being taken as insolent. A Ju Men in the Siblings Palace decade keeps the questions among peers, arguing with friends and siblings, and the practice is pressing a point while still minding the friendship. Changes follow at 22 and 32; the people they question keep changing, and the skill of questioning keeps growing.
For the full picture of this persona, see Ju Men · The Debater.
Where it comes from in Purple Star Astrology
In this type Ju Men leads the Life Palace. The Life Palace is the one of twelve that says who you are, and its main star sets your base color; when two main stars share it, the first one counts.
The bureau is the Water 2 Bureau. The Five Elements Bureau comes from the Nayin of your Life Palace stem and branch; it places the Zi Wei star on the chart and sets the age your first 10-year period starts, which is 2 for this bureau. No bureau is better than another; Xingge reads it as a flavour of the same persona.
Across 2,527 charts of this type:
- Life Palace branch
- Si 23.6%, Chen 23.6%, Wu 17.6%, Zi 11.8%, Hai 11.7%, Xu 11.7%
- Star brightness
- Wang (Prosperous) 64.7%, Xian (Fallen) 35.3%
- Elements
- Ju Men is Water; the Water 2 Bureau is Water
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FAQ
A Water 2 Ju Men asks so many questions. Does it put people under pressure?
Sometimes, especially early on. Their questions mostly come from curiosity and rarely from fault-finding: they want to know how something came about, not where you went wrong. It is fine to tell them “I haven't worked that one out yet,” and they will usually wait. If they share a little more about why they are asking, people feel less like they are sitting an exam.
What work suits a Water 2 Ju Men?
Work that means following a trail all the way down: due diligence before an acquisition, investigating the causes of accidents and failures, archival and historical research, fact-checking desks, tracing the provenance of art or antiques. What these share is an answer buried several layers deep, and the need for someone willing to dig through each one. A place that only wants things fast, not right, will feel wrong to them every day.
How common is the Water 2 · Ju Men type?
Out of 262,980 charts cast for every day and every two-hour period from 1950–2009, 2,527 have Ju Men leading the Life Palace and the Water 2 Bureau: about 1.0%, roughly 1 in 104 people. Every day and hour is counted equally, so this is not the actual birth distribution of a population.
Why can two people born on the same day be different types?
Where your Life Palace falls depends on your birth month and birth hour, and your Five Elements Bureau comes from the stem and branch of that palace. So on the same day, one two-hour period later moves the Life Palace by one, and the main star and bureau can both change. The twelve hours of a single day usually produce several different types.
What is the Five Elements Bureau?
The Five Elements Bureau is the Nayin element of your Life Palace stem and branch: Water 2, Wood 3, Metal 4, Earth 5 or Fire 6. The number places the Zi Wei star on the chart and is also the age your first 10-year period begins (2 for Water, 6 for Fire). A bigger number is not better or worse; Xingge reads the element as a flavour of the same persona.
How is this different from MBTI?
MBTI comes from a questionnaire about how you see yourself. An Xingge type comes from your birth date and time, with nothing to answer, and the same birth details always give the same type. They work well side by side: MBTI describes your current habits, the chart describes your underlying nature and the rhythm of your life.
Which type do I get if my Life Palace has two main stars?
When two main stars share the Life Palace, the one listed first (in the order of the Zi Wei and Tian Fu star groups) sets the persona, the same as on your chart page. A Life Palace with no main star is the Empty Palace: the Traveler.
A type looks only at the Life Palace and the bureau: the roughest outline of a chart. People of the same type differ in the Body Palace, the surrounding palaces and the transformations.